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I was going to look into KW Winner a while back, but didn’t because I have Market Samurai and SEO Powersuite, on top of those, I have Clickbump SEO and SEOPressor…whew!
If I wasn’t already set, I’d definitely buy the plugin (still might for the support posts that link to my reviews, come to think of it).
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Hilarious - you’re on my list, I mean.This is a line where you have made a leap in judgment, though:
Article spinning is not about producing quality content (except maybe when Pat Flynn does it [love your website Pat!]) Article spinning is all about back links. When someone litters the Internet with spun articles the last thing they’re concerned about is the quality of my ‘user experience’.
Not sure which it is:
Is Pat Flynn REALLY the ONLY guy on the net blasting “Quality” articles via UAW or similar services? Is that the point?
Because here’s where I disagree / agree - first let me say that I don’t know Pat, I’m sure from your comment that he rocks, that’s fine…
But have you actually read through all the spun articles on the net?
In order to make the case (you called it a fact) that 99.9 % of spinners out there don’t give a rip about quality, you need to read 100% of the spun articles, logically.
I didn’t get thousands of dollars last year for chum. SO like I was saying - it DOES matter who spins (and apparently you agree as well) - but overall you’re right:
We won’t agree on the point.
I added the SENukeX bonus ComLuv as a joke, btw - but yes I am trying it out when it comes out, and I understand this is NOT for everyone, it’s a business decision.
I’d just like to say on record:
There are people who spin/submit without caring. They just want the links. That IS why you spin in the first place…
But really: who cares? Those articles wind up on places that allow the content - it’s not like you force it onto someone.
If an article directory gets upset with a certain author they get banned, no biggie.
If a blog owner doesn’t like the content, they don’t publish it - no harm, no foul.
So why the big to-do about it? If you find a blog with this content on it, you walk, hit the ‘back’ button - no harm, no foul - nobody moved, nobody got hurt.
So again: it’s a moot point. It’s like arguing why Google chose primary colors for their logo and getting your knickers in a knot: the spun articles need a place to be published - those publishers either want the content or not, and last I checked: if I owned a website, I’ll publish what I want.
What’s the issue again?
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Bruce -Entitled to your opinion, but that’s just it - it’s your opinion. I’ve been spinning articles for clients on Elance, and it dawned on me: they’re paying me thousands for this…
It worked for them - turned out it’s worked great for me, too. Now I’m fully supported by spun articles, call them spam or not, I’m not actually looking at linking as an ethical question (you’d be hard pressed to win the case and convince me otherwise).
Spinning and submitting works, despite any algo changes, because links drive up your rankings.
I’ve never been penalized, slapped or otherwise seen any dropping in rankings for my linking methods. And funny thing: I still get traffic from my articles.
Of course if you hit the SAME anchor text and the SAME URL over and over with it - then of course you can get a decrease in rankings…
Depends on who’s spinning them, I suppose.
Either way, doubtless we’ll never see eye to eye, but I did want to say the typical “Your links will get penalized, your rankings will fall” doesn’t apply. Has yet to happen after more than a year.
But that’s the mantra that gets perpetrated. That’s fine - I still don’t get it, though. It’s a link. It’s not like there’s a law that’s been broken (discussing the merits of a spun article usually sounds just as you put it: one party looking down upon another’s methods, but it sure makes for fun debate).
What CAN happen is that the blogs on which the links appear will be closed down - usually the blogger either lets the blog go or sells it, or just deletes the post: but that’s why I use article directories as well versus just a blog network.
Thanks, Ana, for bringing it up - it’s a fun topic to debate. The 2 parties will likely never agree on the issue, and I can’t be convinced at this point not to do it…it’s just working out too well.
Are my rankings holding? My goodness, and how!
I’m also using SENukeX when it comes out. I’ll give Bruce an extra bonus if he’s game.
Sorry. Couldn’t resist.
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Daniel has really invented an amazing product! As far as your review is concerned I must say they are totally different tools. I’m sorry I have used Keyword Winner and you can’t really compare it. Keyword Winner is extremely powerful for optimizing blog posts and checking your rank position of your posts right in your blog dashboard, there is nothing out there as good as this, I totally love it and wouldn’t change it for the world!
Thanks for the thumbs up, Robert.
However, I can and did compare KW to other tools and apparently you’ve never used MS. I like them both for entirely different reasons.
Welcome to my blog, btw!
I was going to look into KW Winner a while back, but didn’t because I have Market Samurai and SEO Powersuite, on top of those, I have Clickbump SEO and SEOPressor…whew!
If I wasn’t already set, I’d definitely buy the plugin (still might for the support posts that link to my reviews, come to think of it).
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I think you are in good hands, James.
Well done comparison! I now know substantially more about both products than I did prior to visiting your site. Guess I’m going to have to start following your blog…
I have a question, though. Given that KW is 1/3rd the price of MS, which would you recommend to get first? I’m a relative newbie, although I’ve had some minor success at SEO for my site — and then my main competition must have hired somebody to beat me out, ’cause that happened after about 3 months of ranking above him for most of the keywords that my students were using to find me (I always ask in my classes to see how they found me). Concurrently, I noticed that my classes are getting smaller, although with the economy taking it in the shorts, I hear on the grapevine that most of the instructors in my niche are seeing smaller classes.
I keep seeing that the “money is in the list” and I don’t have one for my main business — but I’m a one-hit wonder at this point. I don’t have any back-end thing to sell to my students (except that they do come back after 4 years for their license renewals). And the business is such that it has essentially no potential for automation, so when I quit teaching, the money quits coming in, instantly. Naturally, I’m thinking of other things to do…
I’d also like ways to boost my wife’s new travel agency business, and one thing we have come up with is having a contest with some substantial prizes (that would be of interest only to people who like cruises, for now). Trouble is that I don’t know how to set up such a contest, nor how to effectively track the results (how to track things like “tweets” for instance). The travel business has a bit more potential for back-end stuff, and maybe even a little passive income.
We are both suffering from a bit of overwhelm at this point, so I am also looking for some general “where to start” advice.
Hey TX, I’m not Ana, but I would like to take a stab at at least one thing you said here.
Yes, the money I in the list, but a good list should be worth far more then JUST money in the end.
Example: Say you have a 4 or even 5 digit list in the end, you start a new business, you could easily have a built in fan base before you even begin.
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A big list might help with a new venture, or might not. For instance I have two businesses with two radically different clientele (yeah, I’m weird like that), and a big list from my violins & musical accessories business is not going to have very many people in it who are the least bit interested in getting a concealed handgun license. OTOH, there might be people on both lists interested in cruise travel, but again, I doubt if even a huge list of violin accessory and handgun license customers would do much good for my wife’s travel agency business. Lists are *not* fungible.
I am convinced that the size of the list is much less important than the quality of the list. That’s why Frank Rumbaskas was able to crush a dozen of the big names in an IM contest with only a 100K list. All the ‘gurus’ were using 500K++ lists, but all of them had the *same* names on them, whereas Frank had an organically-grown list that did not include a lot of IM-wannabees in it.
Which is all beside the point. I have NO list at all, so, by definition, the quality is also nonexistent. I’m starting from zero. My wife and I are thinking about doing a contest (with substantial prizes that would appeal to cruise-goers), but we don’t have any good idea of how to manage and track such a contest. So, if anybody has some suggestions on what tools to use or how to get something like that started, I’m listening!
I never meant to imply quantity over quality. it would have to be a good list always.
And you’re right, a big list might help with a new venture, or might not. That’s actually were I might have stopped.
In all fairness, one cannot definitively state hat one would be interested in until presented with it.
Again though, that was just one example. My overall point being, having a backend product to sell now or not is irrelevant to whether or not to start a list.
Even if that was the #1 metric, wouldn’t you want the list in hand when you finally do get that product?
To answer your first question: if you can get Market Samurai right off that bat, do that. It’s a much superior softward and will do your business, whatever it is, a lot more good.
Your assessment of the list building is absolutely correct: the money is not in the list, it’s in your relationship with that list.
However, any business can potentially benefit from a list.
I recently did a list building week at TGC; lot’s of great info there. Check out this link: https://trafficgenerationcafe.online/list-building/
The rest of the question is pretty loaded, as you can imagine - it’s hart to talk about how to organize a contest, promote it, etc.
I could make a suggestion for an ebook by a very well-known blogger, Kristi Hines; it’s all about promotion. You can read more about it in this post: https://trafficgenerationcafe.online/blog-post-promotion/
I don’t know of any other great publications about promotion or how to run a contest, but this one should give you a good start.
Ana
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Ana,
I use MS and I am still evaluating and learning how to use it. It takes time to use MS. But MS gives indepth and excellent results. On the other hand KW is a quickie which works really great.
My conclusion is just the same as yours, I use both side by side. Sometimes just KW (when I am in a hurry) and most of the times MS+KW.
Cheers,
Jane.
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Hi Ana I have been using market Samurai for a short while now, loving it and finding great keywords to target. It has been a bit buggy lately but I am sure they will sort those issues out. Keyword winner looks like an awesome tool to have as well. Thanks for the in-dept review
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Glad you have MS, Tristan - it’s my absolutely most favorite tool of all.
I consider KW a good addition as well!
Ana,
Thanks for breaking out and doing this review. It does look like each tool has it’s advantages that would work well together. I love your reviews because I know I get an honest look.
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Not every tool will work for everyone, of course, Sheila, but for me KW turned out to be a good addition to my arsenal.
And yes, I do always strive to point out what works and what doesn’t; hope I do a good job at it.
Hi Ana,
I heard about this tool a little while ago and although I was intrigued, for some reason I got the feeling it was targeted at serious affiliate marketer type bloggers.
I mean we’re all affiliate marketers to an extent but I am sure you now what I mean?
Anyway I enjoyed watching you work with it and reading your conclusions. Sounds like it could be a time saver when one doesn’t want to use MS and a good additional tool not a replacement for MS.
~Marcus
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You got it, Marcus. For someone who doesn’t have MS yet, KW can be a good starting point.
They also do a bit different functions in a completely different way; that’s why I think using both is the best (and not at all because these are affiliate links.
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Great Keyword Winner review, Ana. It sounds really interesting and I’d love to play around with it
Thanks for sharing.
Mavis
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Doesn’t take much time; it’s so simple, Mavis!
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Keyword Winner seems to have it all as far as ranking your blog in Google is concerned. I am sure to seriously consider this program and have have all my multiple blogs ranking in no time at all.
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Thanks for enthusiasm, but you and I both know that KW alone won’t be the magic wand to top rankings.
However, using your keywords instead of a name will. Unfortunately, I am not too fond of it, so next time please use your name.
Sorry Ann, I was a little insensitive. Your request is duly noted. I have not used either Market Samurai or Keyword Winner, will look more into them, albeit I think Keyword Winner is more of what its name says - a winner.
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Keyword Winner makes research keywords much more fun and easy for optimizing blog posts, one of the best sources for traffic generation for my niche sites is keyword research for blog post titles and tags, my traffic has soared on all of my niche sites since I have used Keyword Winner!
Good to hear that, Soren!
Great review Ana!
Keywords are one of the things I am clueless about. It sounds like this would be a good way to start dipping my toe in. I’ll have to check it out.
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This one is very simple, Katie, and that’s a good thing about it.
I’ve read that changing your title after a period of time loses any link love you’ve gained.
Do I have this wrong? Or what aspect of it that I’m missing? Thanks, Ana, great stuff!
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Not at all, Paula - you must be thinking of changing your link to the post. That’s the only time you loose links, since links are connected to links, not to titles per se.
I know I outsource this, but I really do need to learn it. It’s just so frustrating, years later.
I get the principals, but I do not get the mechanics. No tool is going to teach me this unfortunately.
You are very right, Dennis - you still need to know at least the basics and I have a feeling you are well-covered in that respect.
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That depends how basic you’re talkin’. I know very little in the KWR dept.
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I just got Market Samurai myself. Still evaluating it, but so far I’m loving it!
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I’ve used MS for about a year now, Kristi, and I am still discovering new cool features.
Reading through tutorials might’ve helped me discover all those things a whole lot sooner!
Glad you are liking it so far.
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I would be lost without MS.
The rank checker alone is worth the price as far as I am concerned!
And the support - incredible! (I expect nothing less from an Australian run company LOL)
Mind you, everytime I have had trouble with Keyword Winner, Dan has fixed it within 24 hours, so the support there is pretty darn good too (again, expect nothing less from an Aussie hahaha)
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Hi Ana,
Keyword Winner really seems impressive with your positive reviews. But is there any trial available for this tool so that I can also see how really it works before buying it?
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No that I know of, Riya. You can check to see if they offer a guarantee of sorts where you can get a refund if you needed to.
Okay, now that is detail, a quality review, and some really great value all in one! I have been looking for some information on search traffic because mine is really low and only pertains to about 10% of my actual traffic.
I am willing to bet this will help. And you can get ranked without the keyword in the body? That’s cool!
Thanks for the post!
-Gabriel Johansson
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Thanks, Gabriel!
Yes, you can rank any post for just about any keyword without even mentioning it in the body. The main ingredients are links with proper anchor text, and SEO title and description.
I bet your SEO traffic will grow overtime; it’s not the kind of thing that’s build overnight, unfortunately!
Ana
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