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I hope you’re right about Google finally having found a way to differentiate good links from bad. Although the people who sell spinners and such will continue to insist that the key to higher SERPs lies in sheer quantity, and new marketers will continue to flood the Internet with unreadable nonsense.
I love guest blogging as a link-building technique, but aside from the link-juice benefits, I really enjoy the exposure to a whole new audience. Most of my guest blogging has been on blogs I found through sites like Blogger Link Up, and I would not have been aware of them otherwise.
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Hey Ana,
Thanks for sharing the effective link building recipe! This year I’m focusing on taking my blog to a whole new level, so I won’t have the time for naughty links
You’re awesome!
Mavis
Mavis Nong @ Free Marketing Training´s last blog ..Are You Still Annoying Your Blog Visitors
Hi Ana! Me again John, this post is really enlightening. Link baiting is something I really don’t know back then. But through searching I can get it now. Link building is really helpful you just need to get along with it. Anyway, I am looking forward for Sunday. Your coffee drink with us! See you!
John from Electricians in Paddington´s last blog ..Electricians Paddington – Great Local Electricians Vs Average Local Electricians
Link baiting works great. Sometimes you don’t even know what become a link bait until you publish a post; I’ve been proven wrong once or twice on that!
See you Sunday!
Ana,
Great list building tactics.
I have not been a fan of Ezine Articles because of the advice that I was given about all the Adsense that surrounds you content.
I was introduced to Article Productions to submit articles or use forums. It was suggested on Better Networker and seems to have some great value over there.
Awesome stuff Ana.
Tommy D.
Tommy DiPietro | MLM Sales´s last blog ..Get The Best Employment Screening Background Check
Thanks, Tommy.
As much as I like hanging out on BN, some of the members are not the brightest bulbs over there; I wouldn’t necessarily trust their recommendations and keep your money.
I’ve never heard of anything relating to AdSense and content.
Hi Ana
Great post, it can be really confusing when you are working on your own site. I was working on the blog post commenting on my lingerie site and it was working well, however I didn’t realise it until I stopped! I dropped from top of Google down about 5 spots. You are right when you talk about the time issue. I struggle to balance the time spent blogging and the time I need to spend getting people to read it
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Katherine Salt´s last blog ..Wanted Brand You! The 3 B’s of Personal Branding
I know what you mean, Katherine - I think all bloggers struggle with balancing issue.
However, both content creation and marketing that content are the main keys to blogging, so we have no choice but to figure out how to handle them.
Thanks for coming by!
By the way, did you site go back up in Google rankings? Sometimes, those kinds of drops are just temporary and nothing to worry about.
No rather worryingly still dropping, reckon a bit of application and I can sort it out.
Katherine Salt´s last blog ..Wanted Brand You! The 3 B’s of Personal Branding
Ana - your information is always precise and worth while the read. Even though I don’t need all of the information you put out I feel it enriches my approach and knowledge. Good to have found you girl
Happy New Year
Frieke
Frieke Karlovits´s last blog ..Personal Achievers are Humble
Happy New Year to you as well, Frieke, and good to see you back.
Knowledge is power; you never know when you might need it.
Ana
I feel like you wrote this especially for me, Ana. You must have been inside my head when you wrote it! lol I am going to be focusing on guest posting and link building this year now that my blog is established and I feel like I have an actual recipe to follow. In fact, I may print it off and tape it to the back cover of my date book so that I am reminded of it every time I see it on my desk.
Thank you for the blueprint to follow!
Heather
Heather C Stephens´s last blog ..Clever Marketer Prove It! Challenge 2011
Anytime, Heather! The great things about this new strategy of mine, besides quality, is how stress-free it is.
I think you will do great and I am always here to hold your hand when needed.
I wrote a post on a topic akin to this a little while ago http://thenexus.tk/how-to-get-the-best-links/.
Though taking into account what you said above those links still have a place in the ‘linking hierarchy’. This is the structure I try to adhere to.
Money site - links via Full articled web 2.0 properties + natural links
Web 2.0 - links are built to this property which links to MS with a keyword and links to this are built via ‘Parasite hosts’ (http://thenexus.tk/parasite-hosting/)
3rd tiers (parasite hosts)- are then hit by xxx SBookmarks / comments / directories etc.
The way I see it is the ‘funnel’ theory. ie 4tier = 1000′s of shizer quality links though which will make the 3rd tier (Parasite hosts) links worth a bite more, which in then will funnel their juice to my web2.0 property which would provide my MS with a NICE JUICY and importantly CLEAN, NON-Replicable link.
Donace@Hostgator Coupon´s last blog ..Yoast SEO Plugin Conflicting with SEO Super Comments
Now THAT’S an entirely different issue, Donace - I am planning on writing a post on increasing link value through sending junk links via a pyramid of sorts; you called it tiers, same difference. So don’t spill the beans to my readers just yet!
Loved your blog, Donace - left some comments; must be in moderation.
I see you are using SSC as well and it looks like we could have a similar issue with it that was recently brought to my attention - I still haven’t done anything to fix it.
Read the comment by Kim (it’s huge and hard to miss) on this post: https://trafficgenerationcafe.online/dofollow-traffic-generation-cafe/
Let me know what you think.
Hi Ana,
I know there is no real guaranteed method, but in your eyes, which seo methods are most effective in your blog?
Ash
dofollow´s last blog ..video production
The highest value links I have going to this blog are still coming from blog commenting.
Guest posting is great, but it’s more of a long-term strategy, since it will take time for your posts to rise in rank - if they ever do. Those links are still valuable though because they come from within content.
Thanks, Ash!
Hi Ana,
as you know, I am not the SEO freak. However, my intuitions tells me the same objectives you bring up. Let me add this: The flaw is that people try to make money with affiliated article submission software. I wonder if they have really SEO in mind. What do you think ?
Take care
Oliver
Oliver Tausend´s last blog ..Oliver Tausend’s Blog- Thanks To Top Commentators In December
Some people truly believe they benefit from such software and yet others just want to make money off it. That simple.
It might’ve worked in the past when quantity of links did matter, but no more.
Thanks, Oliver!
It has been a long time since there has been a pagerank update, a really long time. Any site that has been built in the last 9 months will be listed as pagerank 0, even if it is one of the top sites on the web and favored by search engines in their rankings. Google is clearly sending a signal that visible pagerank is over as a useful metric - its time to move on, but where too?
Bob´s last blog ..Hot French Acts For 2011
I am sure we’ll know soon enough… or maybe not so soon, but we will, Bob. I am with you though; I’d love to know one way or another.
Lovely Juicy stuff as ever Ana.
I’ve been thinking about this for a little while already. It almost seems worth having two ‘mirror’ blogs, one for networking - which will have more links spread across low PR sites, and one for SEO which may follow the ‘Nice’ link approach. And then connect the two somehow.
The thing is, it can be very useful in certain kinds of online marketing to simply put your face in a lot of places, and worrying about low quality backlinks will hinder that. At the same time, it does seem that Google will give more respect to a few carefully placed links…
All of which leads to my next question which is how much does PR really affect Rankings? I frequently see low PR sites topping high PR sites for many keywords…
Thanks Ana, the buzz on your blog is really intensifying!
Jym
Interesting idea, Jym, though it won’t work.
PR is definitely not as big of a factor any longer, but it’s still a factor to pay attention to. Google is bound to come up with something new soon, but until then rank still counts, specifically for incoming links.
My site is still PR 0, because I started it in July - way after the last update, but my blog is still ahead of many higher ranking ones because of better links.
Intensifying… love the word! And thanks!
Hi Ana,
This is why I put much more time and effort into keyword research because link building has too many negative consequences. Just like your theory on going for less high quality links than lots of low quality links.
I follow the same theory on chasing less competitive keywords that are getting gradual search trends rather then focusing on highly competitive ones and be continually in a battle to maintain position.
Have a nice day!
Dan
Dan Lew´s last blog ..5 Easy Tricks To Get First Page On Google
You are so right, Dan - without thorough keyword research, all link building is futile.
On the other hand, if your keyword research is done properly and you choose keywords in low-competition high-demand markets, you’re much more likely to succeed without much link building.
Good point.
Super awesome post ana. You’ve made some awesome points.
I’m working on building backlinks from last 2 months. I’ve done many things
-Article Marketing - This is something where i need to work. I even brought a spinner software but never got time to do it.
-Web 2.0 sites - works awesome and one of my great source to build high quality backlinks
-Guest posting - I rarely do guest posting these days but if i do guest posting, i try to get on big blogs like Problogger, MaxBlogPress.
-Forums - Just created an list of dofollow forums and will start working on getting backlinks from forums
Thanks for sharing this super awesome post on link building. Keep Rocking
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Devesh Sharma´s last blog ..4 effective ways to get more comments on your blog !!
You are very welcome, Dev. Just focus on the quality and don’t kill yourself - you’ve got enough on your plate as it is!
Hey Ana, I loved this post - for a few reasons. First of all, to be perfectly honest, links and link building was never a huge focus for me until these last 12 months. Still not the brightest bulb in the box on it either. funny though, I decided not to ‘worry’ about it so much (just the other day). One of my old websites has a Pr5 on a few pages and seems to do ‘ok’ in the way of traffic. This proved to me that since any backlinks I do have were unknown to me… a few pages have managed to do quite well for chosen keywords with decent demand. I feel so much better not stressing about thousands of links to be found. Second… I have been tempted to purchase the Article Spinning software in the past… I actually enjoy Article marketing, however I could never get my head around how it could work as well ‘automatically’ as it would having a human enter all the info. (summary, intro, etc)…. besides many Article Directories are getting quite stringent now to cut back on ‘spamming’. - so I am not surprised that it has lost it’s supposed effectiveness.
I love the “repurposing” old posts idea… btw, it is a great way to get more mileage, infact I read a similar post (yet to comment on) on Lisa’s post (friendlyblogger)….
This was a real ‘meaty’ post.. something not too technical… hence allowed me to really get my head around! Thanks for the great read.
Jayne Kopp´s last blog ..Do You Make a Difference
It’s always a pleasure to see you on my blog, Jayne.
I like the idea of not stressing out about links, and that’s exactly what this post is all about.
I used to want to do it all: article marketing, videos, etc - the more links, the better, right? Wrong. It exhausted me and didn’t do much good.
So here to the new year of better link building!
Ana - This is great advice. Your suggested efforts include a lot of link diversity, which is probably very beneficial. As recently as a couple of years ago, quantity of links was the number one correlation factor with high ranking. Checking the backlinks of some sites with 100′s of legacy spammy reciprocal links shows that they still rank well. But as your link spinning efforts seem to demonstrate, obtaining new spammy links seems to hurt. The Google algorithm is definitely evolving, but it takes a lot of testing to figure out what works with no updates to PageRank since April 2.
Randy Pickard´s last blog ..Why PPC Advertising Is So Expensive
Indeed, Randy.
I don’t think the links that were acquired before certain changes to algorithms will be discounted; rather, our present and future link acquisitions will be in question.
I’d rather stick to things that I know will definitely work vs waste my time on strategies that might actually hurt.
Thanks for the great tips. It’s always good to scratch a bit more in the mystery of SEO.
There is one thing I’d like to hear more from you. When you said you took link building in your hands and contacted Kristi Hines…. Can you give a nice tutorial on such actions. I always avoided that kind of actions as they sound pushy to me and “pushy” is quite my nature. I guess there’s a right way to do it, but I need to learn about it.
dandellion´s last blog ..Is Artificial Creativity Possible
Oh, sure, anytime…
The way to not come off pushy is to get acquainted before asking for favors, that’s all.
What I did first is read many of her posts and posted good comments. When a post came up that was on the same topic as my blog post, I left a comment mentioning my post as an additional resource.
It’s always about making it a win-win and building a relationship first is the key.
Welcome to my blog!
There are so many things to go crazy about, I decided early on not to go crazy over backlinks.
I have seen High PR sites with no traffic, and visa versa.
I have an old niche site, and for years the traffic came from very good backlinks themselves; Google didn’t even come into the equation because the traffic was very targeted and came from important sources.
I totally agree that the strength of who links to you is important to Google. They like quality, and have a myriad of methods for determining it.
Rick
Rick LaPoint @ Internet Marketing´s last blog ..Popular Blogs to Generate Comment Traffic
Thanks, Rick. Sounds like you are of the same mindset on backlinks.
I’ve seen it all as well and that’s one of the reasons I came to my conclusions. And amazingly, it made me breathe much easier. No more hunting down the quantity, just a few quality ones will do.
Pleasure to see you back, Rick.
Ana - It is definitely good to see your insights on this subject. My view on this is that it’s good to get a mixture of both quality links and quantity.
Just my 2 cents, but following this belief has done well for me. It’s funny that the links you have under your Naughty list are still being talked about highly by many people in the blogging world.
I am guessing that saturation is one of the reasons you are not fond of these type of links. Once again, thank you for sharing your insights on this topic.
John´s last blog ..Options To Remove Your Moles And Warts
Thanks, John.
I believe that many talk about those types of links without necessarily using the tactics themselves.
I’ve done a lot of research on link value and I never saw any evidence that those types of links carrying any of it.
Agree to disagree?
Hi Ana,
You’ve made a great argument and I feel obliged to agree with you. I remember with my first site, I was OBSESSED with link building, backlinking, link bait … you name it! Well a couple years later and somewhat wiser
I learned two things:
1. It’s only important up to a point and you really have little control of it so why lose sleep over it.
2. You can have just as much success with getting your site ranked well and increasing your PR if you focus on getting traffic via using tactics such as social networking and guest blogging as well as producing great stuff!
Thoroughly enjoyed your post Ana.
Michele Welch´s last blog ..Are You Creating Your Inner Circle
I absolutely agree with you, Michele.
Link building is very important, but most SEO can be easily taken care of by simply doing the things you mentioned: posting great content, guest posting, networking.
I am not as obsessed with it as I used to be; don’t have time even if I wanted to be
That’s alright though; my blog seems to be doing just fine.
Thanks for coming by.
Oh Ana,
It is like you are reading my mind (which is probably not something one would really ever want to read). This is near exactly what I have been thinking about lately for a project I am about to start.
For icebluebanana, I do comment regularly, or at least read, a few blogs written by people I like and who I think will be around a while to build their site up. I like to think of it as “long tail link building”.
Anyway, I also do some bookmarking and occasionally submit an article to either ezinearticles or goarticles (what can I say, I like variety:)). But, it is the time it takes to get all of these less-helpful links that really keeps me from going after them. Plus, services like UAW are too expensive IMO. Even if you work out a strategy that is successful, $70/month could be better spent elsewhere. You could hire a VA to go after quality links, for example (not that I do that).
Just my 2 cents.
Have a nice day!
mark@personal brand´s last blog ..How I Use Branding To Promote My Blog
No, I absolutely agree, Mark, on all your points actually.
I like your term “long term link building”. That’s exactly what it is as long as you can reasonably figure out what those sites are. I hope you are here because you think mine is one of them.
You are so right about the cost: I can outsource quality link building for much less than the cost of a service like UAW.
Have a great night as well; look forward to seeing you back here soon.
Ana
I don’t want to be mean but DMOZ isn’t want it used to be and I also know how many websites are accepted this days(lots of corruption and bribes). But is still a good way to spread your link over the internet, because there are lots of website which mirror dmoz.
UAW doesn’t work well by itself it needs some help and tricks to get it work (but I don’t recommend it either, because many of the links it does are low quality and some don’t stick - blogs disappear , domains aren’t being renewed, owners change the domain purpose etc).
Forum are pretty much dead when it comes to link building, to much spam, no SEO.
I would want to say more about links but I am kind of tired and it’s kind of late
, but I want to add that you only mentioned how to build links for blogs, what about other kinds of website ?
Alex@Jocuri´s last blog ..Dadaca Nelly
As of right now, DMOZ links are still highly coveted and probably will for a while however one gets it.
I use the same link building strategies for static websites as I do for blogs; I don’t think there is much difference as far as I am concerned, Alex.
Get some rest!
I generally don’t worry too much about PR. First of all, what’s shown on the toolbar is old and outdated, so we really don’t know what the true PR of the page is at that time. Plus, today’s 0 or 1 might be tomorrow’s 5 or 6. I think overall quality, as I perceive quality as a human reader, as well as relevance to whatever I’m linking to, are more important than any other consideration.
One thing I’ve been swishing around in my head for the last few days is the concept of sharing guest posts with trusted bloggers, in which they would be allowed to link directly within the article content, rather than doing an author bio. Because I’d be letting people I know and trust participate, I wouldn’t be worried about the spam factor (though I’d reserve the right to deny any that crop up). I think if groups of connected friends would participate in these trust circles, we would all benefit. Not sure how best to organize it, but that’s what’s been floating in my head lately.
Donna´s last blog ..Choosing A Color Scheme For Your Website
Definitely a good point about visible and actual PR, Donna. I had to direct several of my commentators to a post I wrote on that, since not everybody is aware of the fact that PageRank information is so unreliable because it’s never up to date.
I like your guest posting idea.
I have actually been doing it on my blog for a while now. There are several bloggers who I know and respect and who recently submitted their guest posts to TGC. I ended up doing just that: added a link or two back to their blogs with good anchor text. I think this is definitely something we should consider doing.
Here’s another idea I’ve been playing with; I’d love to know what you think about it. This will only work with solid blogs that provide exceptional information. We all have so many great posts decomposing in our archives; why not find a way to reuse them? Instead of posting them to useless article directories, why not republish them on the blog within that same “trust circle”. We all will benefit from links and great content, plus our readers will get new fresh (to them) content they otherwise would never know existed.
Since you and I both know that this is not a question of duplicated content, what would stop us from doing something like that?
Thanks for your input, Donna!
Repurposing content that way could be another good option for the trust circles, yes. I think the hardest part about the circle idea is dealing with niches. I mean, if someone is in a niche about puppy care, and no one he knows and trusts has a blog that would benefit from having content about puppy care, he’s out in the cold. Sure some people have blogs that are general enough to take on most any topic, but many don’t. Likewise, it would look strange to the puppy care guy’s visitors if suddenly they saw a post on his blog about diesel engine repair, ya know? So, that’s the biggest sticking point I can see with the trust circle idea - other than just the normal logistics of getting it together.
Donna´s last blog ..10 Website Design DOs and DON’Ts
OK, no puppy training websites in our circle of trust.
Good point.
What I have in mind is more like a commenting tribe I’ve created in the past: a small circle of hand-picked blogs that are all in the same general niche.
That would work the best I think.
Hey Ana, love this line: Love it or hate it? Comment to show me that you’re alive!
Just wanted to mention I’m enjoy reading all your posts (okay, almost all of them lol) so keep up with the good work you’re doing.
On topic: I love commenting on other blogs and I try to add up to the discussion, I guess it’s a way to socialize and get a link back so it’s a win win. Some of the blog owners I comment on do visit my blog and leave comments which is always a big plus for me. On the other hand, I hate other types of link building so I guess I’ll just stick to what I like doing. Btw, the box I have to think should say “Confirm you are NOT a bot” instead of spammer lol.
Chris´s last blog ..Sites to get free traffic from- episode 1
Hey, Chris - glad you found your way to my blog. I love that line as well.
Commenting on active blogs is always the best way to network and get some traffic, hands down. I do also try to visit my commentators’s sites as well when I can, so you are right, it’s a win-win for us all.
Look forward to seeing you back soon.
Ana
Hey Ana, thanks for checking my blog out and leaving a comment. Thanks to your blog I now have all three plugins you’re using: CommentLuv, Confirm you are NOT a spammer and Notify me of follow up comments via e-mail (these weren’t there when you visited). Thank you.
Chris´s last blog ..Sites to get free traffic from- episode 1
All great plugins to use, Chris - and I did like your site!
Good information, very interesting about the UAW results, I did spinning for a short time but hated it, now I know it may not even be a good thing, which, to me, makes sense
Ray Higdon´s last blog ..My Interview with Best Selling Author Bob Burg- Go Givers Sell More!
I dreaded it… Good thing someone talked some sense into me back then!
Hi again Ana,
Switzerland is cold and snowy…fancy coming to visit and ski with me soon?
Two interesting links about Social Signals in search engines.
1- Interesting article about “What Social Signals Do Google & Bing Really Count?”
http://searchengineland.com/what-social-signals-do-google-bing-really-count-55389
2-Video from our friend Matt Cutts “Does Google use data from social sites in ranking?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofhwPC-5Ub4&feature=player_embedded#!
CommNation is my Public Relations Company, I specialize in PR 2.0
Cat
Catherine Daar´s last blog ..SEO Competitive Analysis- How to Be 1 on Google
I think I’ll stick with skiing in Colorado this year.
Thanks for the links; curious to see what opinions are out there.
Read a great post on CommNation - you should send that author over to my blog to guest post and build some links/recognition for your company.
Ana
Hey Ana,
You nailed it once again! As always new and useful information. I honestly am far from good when it comes to SEO and link building. Although I have a basic idea of which link building strategies are worth their time, the guide came in more than handy. Something I was especially bothered about were those Edu/Gov backlinks. Although I found an interesting theory on why they have so much weight, the time required to get your hands on them is not really justified in my opinion. Too much research and a low chance to get a comment approved as well. On the other hand I believe that backlinks from Ezine can be of a good use. That is if you find a way to give the article page a higher pagerank. I’ve heard that link building on the Ezine submission itself can have a great positive effect on your blog. Seems to have a grain of truth to me. Either way great work! Keep it going!
Daniel Sharkov@Blogging Tips´s last blog ..3 Ways to Deal with Your Blogging Tasks Easier
I found exactly the same as far as .edu and .gov links are concerned, Daniel. Too much time and dubious results.
I do think there is a good point behind building links to your Ezine articles, etc to boost their rank, so in turn they will send you better quality link back.
I think I will explore that theory in a future post.
Ana
Hi Ana,
Super helpful stuff as always.
I feel quality trumps quality when it comes to SEO. If you’re looking for a PR bump it makes little sense to play the numbers game of linking. More than one blogger has been burned by gaining links too quickly or by getting loads of links from subpar sources.
In the same respect, if your main goal is to simply network - and you’re not as focused on SEO - feel free to hit as many quality blogs as possible and leave thoughtful comments. It’s still not a numbers game so the goal should be connections made. However, you don’t have to pay as much attention to the number of blogs you visit. This is of course if you don’t care much about link building.
Thanks for sharing your keen insight Anna.
RB
Ryan Biddulph´s last blog ..Home Based Business Tips - Follow These Steps to Grow it Like a Weed
Very true, Ryan, and ideally you want both link building comments and simply networking.
In the end, just avoiding “mass produced” links is a good enough idea in my SEO book!
Always love it when you visit - your networking abilities never go unnoticed. That’s why you made it as far as you did and will keep going.
Thanks, Ryan!
…and Ana, let’s not forget that now the search engines are giving weight to the number of “Like”‘s from Facebook…so are “Likes” the new links?!
Catherine Daar´s last blog ..SEO Competitive Analysis- How to Be 1 on Google
Good point, Catherine…
Truth is I haven’t done any research on that whatsoever. A topic for a new post?
How’s the weather in Switzerland these day? Snowy and magestic?
Ana
By the way, remind me what your relationship with CommNation is, Catherine?
Sorry, I read a comment above that you answered my question in!
Susan@Home Workouts´s last blog ..Cold Exposure For Fast Fat Burning
Hey Ana, is there an easy way to find do follow blogs in a specific niche with a minimum PR?
Thanks
Susan@Home Workout´s last blog ..3 Healthy Eating Habits To Help You Burn Fat
No problem Susan; glad you found the answer in the previous comment.
However, I do have one more tool I forgot to mention before:
The Ultimate DoFollow Blog Finder Tool
Ana
This is a great post and mini “guide” for people who are actively link building or looking for solid tips for their upcoming campaign. I’m a big fan of guest blogging/posting, but I can say it’s getting tougher to find blogs to post on, a lot of people are getting wary and think it’s some type of “scam” or is somehow going to negatively effect them. Usually I get them to “bite” when I remind them to monetize my entries with Adsense or whatever they prefer.
Overall I try to keep a nice diverse link profile, I have a pie chart I developed and have been tweaking the last 6-12 months based on performance of different sites.
Wow, very scientific approach, Dan - pie chart and all.
I am surprised to hear you are having hard time finding sites to guest post for. I would suggest you check out http://myblogguest.com/ - forum-type environment for guest post authors and blog that want to have them. I am one of the moderators there, so it’s a good place to start.
Wow Anna, you’ve pretty much summed up all of my link-building methods within your naughty links!
I’m trying to do my best on ‘selective blog commenting’ though, although its extremely hard to find a post having a PR that isn’t spammed with at least 50 comments. I rarely ever find 1 or 2 posts a day that are worth commenting on because of the backlink juice..
Amr Boghdady @ Learn German Online for Free´s last blog ..German Prepositions
Some naughty link builder you are, Amr!
I know what you mean about finding quality blogs to comment on.
As an alternative, I always try not to ignore blogs like mine (a very modest plug here.
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What I mean by that is: DoFollow blogs with good SEO practices in place and a vast audience, which almost guarantees good backlinks - all these factor most likely mean that although a particular page doesn’t show a green bar yet, it still might have true Google rank or might acquire in the near future.
Check out my post on Google visible and true PR:
Mistery of Google PageRank Solved?
Ana
Ana:
When you talk about the quality of a link….let’s say you have a link from a PR5 site and a PR3 site. The PR5 site has over 100 OBL and the PR3 only has 40. IS the PR5 site still more valuable in Google’s eyes?
Like how I used abbreviations like I am a smarty pants??!
Lisa
Lisa´s last blog ..The Fastest Way To Turn Any Blog Post Into An Article
You ARE a smarty pants, Lisa - look at the kind of question you are asking!
No easy answer to this one, but you knew that already.
It’s not just about the outgoing links, but whether the site is Do or NoFollow, what kind of outgoing links they are (some blogs allow all kinds of spam comments, which in my book makes them bad neighborhood-associated in Google eyes, but it’s just yet another theory), etc.
So, to answer your question, only Google really knows.
Use your judgment, that’s all.
I hope you’re right about Google finally having found a way to differentiate good links from bad. Although the people who sell spinners and such will continue to insist that the key to higher SERPs lies in sheer quantity, and new marketers will continue to flood the Internet with unreadable nonsense.
I love guest blogging as a link-building technique, but aside from the link-juice benefits, I really enjoy the exposure to a whole new audience. Most of my guest blogging has been on blogs I found through sites like Blogger Link Up, and I would not have been aware of them otherwise.
Sooner or later, Google WILL find a way, Cindy; otherwise, they are not worth their salt and they know it.
I am just not sure if that time is NOW.
I am not aware of Blogger Lin UP; thanks for the resource, will check it out. I use http://myblogguest.com/ for my guest blogging needs - great site!
Pleasure to see you here this morning; hope you’ll make TGC your regular stop.
Ana
I really don’t understand why you are still posting your quality articles on ezinearticles. Post them on authority blogs in your niche instead, much more beneficial.
The best links are trusted links. A trusted link can be from any site with a large readership that publishes new content frequently, but not necessarily just from newspapers, also authority niche blogs can be an interesting source of trusted links.
You are so right, Andreas - what a waste of time!
You just gave me an interesting idea I never thought of before: why not find some quality blogs to republish some of my articles at? Something to think about…
Thanks!
I agree with both of you here, however, are we talking about our blog posts submitted to Ezine after publication or brand new articles?
Lisa
Lisa´s last blog ..The Fastest Way To Turn Any Blog Post Into An Article
Definitely published posts; I would never waste my time writing brand new articles for Ezine or any other article directory.
From my personal experience I can say, 2 high quality links are sufficient to get you a good PR in google. I didn’t have a clue (probably still haven’t) about SEO, but my site made it PR4 instantly after getting two (more or less only) high quality links.
As a matter of fact I expect to drop once my site gets more incoming links.
Unless I get my article quality to a higher level of course.
Paul
Good illustration of my point, Paul.
Sometimes, all SEO is is using your common sense and serving your readers; the rest will come naturally - with a little help here and there of course.
I am cancelling the plans to buy UAW. I had read several reviews of it and most of them were, well, preaching it. But then which product does not have such reviews with affiliate links in them?
Back to link building, you have hit the nail on the head with this post. It is extremely painful to post 100 one line comments on blogs and then realize that there was no effect on rankings.
I learned the “less is better” lesson some time ago when my blog got PR 3 with only around 30 links. Most of those 30 links came from the single best way to get links, yep, guest posts. Around 5 were above PR 3 and 1 link was from my guest post on Daily Blog Tips. Too bad I decided to sell some links resulting in a big penalty from Google. I got PR 0 which has still not improved.
Hmm…. Now that’s a mistake I have been doing. I hesitated to contact other bloggers thinking “What if they do not link?” Actually, this is still a question that I have in mind. How to overcome that “what will others think” syndrome? I guess every blogger gets it once in a while. So, how to overcome it? Any tips?
Ishan @ Blogging With Success´s last blog ..27 Ways To Take Your Blog From “Good” To “Awesome” In 2011
Great to see the points I make in the post being proved in action, Ishan.
Definitely keep your money when it comes down to UAW or any other article submission software.
As far as finding the guts to do something you haven’t done before, I know the feeling. That’s my gut reaction as well.
And here’s what I do in those kinds of situations: add it to your priority things to do for today and DO IT. No one likes rejection, but don’t let that fear hold you back.
If your content is truly worthy, bloggers WILL link to it.
Loved having you this morning; you should come by more often!
Ana
Hi Ana,
Thanks for the advice. I’ll definitely contact some bloggers today and let you know how it works!
Thanks again for your time.
Ishan @ Blogging With Success´s last blog ..Efficiency Or Effectiveness Which Is The Best Direction For You
Anytime, Ishan - would love to hear back from you!
It works.
I sent a request to Kristi @ Kikolani and moments later, she comment on the post and retweeted it resulting in 4-5 more RTs. Guess she liked the post and it is going to be in next Fetching Friday.
Ishan @ Blogging With Success´s last blog ..Efficiency Or Effectiveness Which Is The Best Direction For You
Yay!!!
So glad you tried it and got such a quick response back - I bet that build you up quite a bit!
Ask and you shall receive…
Ana,
another great post.
Of course it’s great getting links from high pr pages but as Google hasn’t updated pr since last april, do you think they’re going to scrap it all together?
So surely at the moment all the new content, we all are creating, is then going to and linking to older content? With no progression.
My problem is I charge per hour for SEO work and I feel bad even after spending hours finding the quality links charging this way because the quantitiy is so low. I know that they help the sites more because I’ve seen the results.
Oh and I do like the “my blog - my conclusions” attitude.
Pippa@local seo´s last blog ..New Year Resolutions 2011
I don’t think PR will go away any time soon, Pippa. I think there will be a shift in how important of a ranking factor it will be in the future.
However, getting links for high PR pages will still matter, in my opinion. High PR is usually an indicator of quality and that is something that will remain a factor for a long time.
I do know what you mean about charging for link building; many people don’t realize what it takes to do all the research, plus to get your link to actually be accepted, whether it’s a blog comment or any other way.
The results are what matters though and as long as you provide that, I don’t think your clients would mind the cost.
I think you have the perfect link building tactics.
Even if you left it to natural link building you would make it, with all the great content you are writing.
I don’t do any of the “naughty” link building tactics, cause I learned a long time ago that it won’t really work.
Getting a great link from a high PR page is everyone’s dream and I believe writing a great post is the easiest way to get one (of course it includes a wonderful post and a bit of luck).
I have one question for you. You say “Ideally, I’ll be looking for DoFollow blogs with PR4+ for THAT PAGE (not just overall blog PR) that allow keywords in name field.” If the page has a PR 4+ isn’t it an old page, old post, since it is already ranked? So how does it work commenting on a post that is a year old?
Or am I missing something?
Since you didn’t have a post topic for tomorrow (if I remember the Sunday post well) here is an idea: How to find high PR PAGES (not blogs overall) to comment on.
Brankica @ Live Your Love´s last blog ..15 reasons why blogging is like a practical shooting competition and why you must shoot
To answer your question: yes, you are looking for older posts to comment on. It’s more tricky to find them and then get your comment accepted, because many blog owners can smell the link building attempt a mile away.
However, tricky doesn’t mean impossible; I find those kinds of pages all the time. As long as you provide value, your comment still has a good chance to get approved.
The trickiest part here is to find blog that don’t close their comments after a certain number of days, and I’ve got a perfect way to do it.
I actually did write on the subject before and here are the links:
1. Read this post of mine on Technshare first: How to Get 10 High-Quality Links In 30 Minutes Or Less
2. Then read this post: One Way Link Building
Between these 2 posts you’ll know exactly what I do to find perfect commenting opportunities.
Ana
How big will link building be if Google PR is not coming back? 9 months and counting.
Dave from The Longest Way Home´s last blog ..Back to the Future for The Longest Way Home
We shall see, Dave. I’ll miss it though, if that ever happens - there’s something comforting and desirable about that green bar.
Ana
Article spinning has to be one of the most painful PAINFUL duties of an old skool internet marketer. I hated doing it, so I don’t anymore + I never saw any benefits from doing it in the first place.
Guest posting is definitely a great way to get a good (nice) link. I will be doing a lot of these this year.
Food or thought post Ana (the best kind)
Chat soon
Dwayne Huggins@How To Make Money Blogging´s last blog ..Internet Network Marketing Understanding The Power Of The Internet
This is my “efficiency” post of the week, Dwayne.
Many bloggers overwhelm themselves with useless tasks that don’t bring any results, like article spinning in your case.
Hopefully, this will disperse some SEO link building myths and get the bloggers focused on link building that will actually worth their while.
Ana
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