How Tim Ferriss Knocked Me Out Without Even Trying

by Danny Iny · 53 comments



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"The technical term for this is: FAIL!"

I learned a very expensive lesson over the last few months.

I was getting ready to market my new book and was paying close attention to recent book launches that had caught my eye.

I’m talking about the big launches; Enchantment by Guy Kawasaki, The 4-Hour Body by Tim Ferriss, End Malaria by Seth Godin, and Uncertainty by Jonathan Fields.

I learned a lot of great lessons by watching these guys.

But the most expensive lesson was this: you can’t beat Tim Ferriss at his own game!

It Started With the 4-Hour Body…

One of the commonalities that I noticed was the amazing use of video trailers.

I mean, seriously – have you seen Tim’s trailer for the 4-Hour Body?

It’s awesome – it gets your blood pumping, and leaves you excited about all the things that you’ll learn how to do (appealing to a very specific target market that I just happen to be a part of, of course).

Just in case you haven’t seen it, it’s embedded here below – it’s only 60-seconds long, and you should really watch it before you keep reading:

Powerful stuff, right?

(Jonathan Fields also had a very powerful video trailer, in a very different style, but it wasn’t released to the public until well into my story.)

A lot of my success has been by virtue of paying attention to what other people have done well, and applying their strategies to my own projects. So I decided to create a trailer like Tim’s.

Was I setting myself up for failure?

Maybe – I read somewhere that Tim’s trailer had a production budget of about $12,000, and I didn’t have anywhere near that kind of money to invest.

But I was going to give it a shot.

Creating My Own Trailer

I started by reverse-engineering Tim’s 4-Hour Body trailer.

I watched it about forty times, transcribed the text, and marked down the timestamps. I noted down what the music was doing to my emotions as I watched it. Then I wrote a script for my own trailer.

Shooting custom footage was beyond my budget, so I trolled royalty-free video sites like iStockPhoto, Pond5, and eClip for videos that were appropriate to each section of the trailer (actually, a lot of that was done by my talented assistant).

I bought the stock videos, assembled them all in the video editing suite, and created a working “prototype” of the video – it still needed a lot of work, but it had the timings about right, so I could take it to an audio designer to have music composed.

While the incredibly talented audio designer worked on the soundtrack, I finished up the video.

All in all, this trailer cost over $1,000, plus a huge amount of my time and attention for several months. Here is the end product (also less than a minute long):

Is it good? Yes, it is.

Is it as good as Tim Ferriss’s trailer? No, it isn’t.

Sigh.

Some Free Advice from Mitch Joel

Around the time that my trailer was in post-production, I got on the phone with Mitch Joel to talk about book marketing (Mitch is one of the contributors to the book, and very kindly agreed to give me some advice).

The conversation turned to trailers and videos, and he suggested that I focus on creating something useful – something that actually provided some valuable information to my audience.

It was too late to change directions on the trailer, and I was too attached to my vision for it, but I decided to compromise, and throw together a second video.

I created a slideshow of key lessons from the book, bought a $30 music track from iStockPhoto, and threw it all into my $40/month Animoto account.

The whole thing took less than an afternoon, and here is the result:

Is it just me, or is this video better than the trailer? :S

The Difference between Copying and Reverse-Engineering

I learned an expensive and valuable lesson from this experience (you get what you pay for, I guess), and the lesson is that copying and reverse-engineering aren’t the same thing.

Copying is trying to recreate the deliverables that someone else uses, whereas reverse-engineering is about trying to understand what made those deliverables effective in the first place.

I reverse-engineered Tim’s trailer – I made careful note of the story arc, emotional implications, the effect of the music, etc.

But I didn’t reverse-engineer his strategy – I just tried to copy a piece of it, without taking the time to think through how it really fit into, and contributed to, his overall goals.

The technical term for this is: FAIL! ;)

You Can’t Out-Tim-Ferriss Tim Ferriss

Can I do great work on a tight budget? You bet I can.

But can I do better work than a professional production team on less than 10% of their budget? No, clearly I can’t.

And more importantly, did I need a Tim Ferriss-esque video trailer to achieve my goals? No, I probably didn’t.

If I really needed a trailer like Tim’s, then I could (should) have found a professional team, and either paid them to do it, or bartered services to get the job done. That’s what Marcus Sheridan did, and his branding video is amazing.

But I didn’t really need a trailer like Tim’s.

Instead of reverse-engineering the trailer, I should have reverse-engineered his strategy and success. How did he get to where he is today? How did he get so many people to buy and share his books?

my situation, and my goals.

In hindsight, I’m pretty sure that very little of it had to do with the trailer…

What do you think? Which video is better – the $1,000+ trailer, or the $70 video that I put together in an afternoon? Have you had an experience of trying to copy-and-paste someone else’s tactics onto your situation, and not understood why they didn’t work?




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Jason Fonceca December 14, 2011 at 1:01 pm

Wow, Danny, thanks for this man.

This is really insightful, and really honest.

People are often fairly divided on flashy-trailers vs. simple-trailers, and the discussions rage on.

I feel that focusing on honest, authentic expression that reflects you and your brand will sort of… auto-magically unfold into ‘suitable’ creations that represent you well.

Modeling the best, aiming to ‘be’ them to me, is always applaudable.

Kids get tattoos to be like the stars. Does it work? Not exactly, but it certainly teaches them the freedom they have to make their own bold choices, do what they want, and reap the lessons/results.

You aimed to roll Ferriss-style. Does it work? Not exactly, but it certainly teaches you things, and you still reap profit from it.

Also, I’d like to note that it IS possible (if you believe it) to create a superior result to Tim’s on less than 10% of the budget. I could *almost* top his stuff myself (if I wanted to and was passionately inspired toward it), and could certainly do it with a barter, or slight stylistic adjustments ;)

Or you could go ultra-pro and sometimes-free illustration-style, I hear the Epipheo guys are very generous with good causes :D http://www.epipheostudios.com/

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Danny December 15, 2011 at 7:56 am

Hey Jason, thank you!

I really like your choice of words - it’s not about flashy or simple, it’s about “suitable” - whataver fits with your character, message, and audience is what we really need to be doing, and it’s hard to get to what is suitable for us by copying somebody else.

Thanks for the tip about Epipheo - I checked them out, and loved their intro video! :)

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Noel Addison from Web Development Ventura December 7, 2011 at 3:04 am

Using video trailer for marketing could really help you entice your target customers.
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Sylviane Nuccio November 25, 2011 at 4:58 pm

I really like the first video. What’s good about it is that not only it’s good but, it’s short and people on line, as we know, have a short attention span. The second is for people who are really serious though and, that’s who you are looking for.
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Danny November 26, 2011 at 3:20 pm

Very true, Sylviane. That’s an important distinction, thanks for pointing it out - the second video requires more attention, but I’m looking for the people who are willing to invest that extra bit of attention. :)
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Lishiel November 24, 2011 at 9:05 pm

Hi Danny,

Your second video is definitely better than the 1st trailer where you spent $1,000.00. Video is a great marketing tool and having said what you learn is very valuable to us.

Thanks for sharing!

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Danny November 25, 2011 at 5:39 am

You bet, Lishiel, thanks for the feedback! :)
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Tanya Smith November 23, 2011 at 4:21 am

Thanks for being so open in this post Danny - and yes, a good lesson learned! I think the reason why the second is more appealing goes right back to the basic premise - that it gives value to the viewer - real value in terms of tips - right from the get go. You’re positioning it from a perspective of helping, and showing how to take the next step, rather than just promoting/selling.
Usability feedback - I’m a fast reader, and a couple of the longer quotes I couldn’t read in the time they showed :-)

Otherwise - a great production, and I hope it bears fruit for you!

cheers
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Danny November 23, 2011 at 5:36 am

Thank you, Tanya. You’re right - it all comes down to giving real value. Duh, right? ;)

I really appreciate the feedback, and I’ll definitely try to slow things down a bit next time.
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Daniel November 21, 2011 at 3:45 pm

Wow! Danny.

Definitely the second video.

Your first idea runs out of steam, and seems to be flat. It seems to waver in intensity, where maybe either 100% punch all the way through, or building it up to a crescendo may have been a better delivery choice.

Your second effort, though a little quick on the draw with the slide changes, at least keeps you transfixed. Having input, with some nice motivational quotes from trusted individuals within the web(Blogging) world, really hits the spot.

Hey! But you gotta give Mr. Ferris his due. That video of his made me feel like throwing my Computer out the window, then going off to conquer the world.
It really gets you pumped up.
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Danny November 22, 2011 at 6:32 am

Yup, I know what you mean, Daniel - lesson learned.

And yeah, definitely - Tim’s video is awesome, it’s what inspired me in the first place! :D
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Flo from Nigerian Food November 21, 2011 at 10:59 am

Hi Danny,

I like so many things about your second video: the mellow music, the way the quotes and the pictures came up and how the story built up to what will help me build the kind of engagement the ladies and gents were talking about. It did not feel like a longer video at all, I actually watched it 3 times :)

You first video got me confused. I was like “if I already have these, why do I need the Engagement from Scratch book?”. It started off like a trailer about a book that will tell me how I can take all these traffic, comments, my rockstart status etc to the next level, then it went back to building engagement from scratch!?!? So you did well by taking Mitch’s advice.

Tim’s trailer is really top-notch. With that adrenaline pumping track, some people will imagine themselves in that perfect body already :)
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Suzanne November 21, 2011 at 8:09 am

Great Vids! Trailers such as ones made by you and Tim’s is one of the tricks used to catch people’s attention. Your second slideshow of key lessons from your book was informative because it shows that everything that’s written revolve around the needs and interest of the people.
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satrap from Quick Money November 20, 2011 at 5:09 pm

Hi Danny,

I have never seen any of his videos either as I like Alison do not belong to Tim Ferriss type of market.

I would imagine the experience you had in making the trailer and the lessons you learned from it, probably outweighs the “fail” part. Either way, you did a great job.
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Danny November 21, 2011 at 6:10 am

Thank you, Satrap, and yes, the learning is definitely more valuable than the cost of the “experiment”. :)
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Troy November 20, 2011 at 4:58 pm

Danny,

Great stuff — getting knocked out by Tim Ferris drew me in. But then as I read your story I was encouraged. Mimicry is the sincerest form of flattery.

We can all learn a ton from watching Ferris, Kawasaki,Godin, and Fields. But too often we (well at least ME) get stuck thinking how I can’t quite copy them. We don’t have to copy them exactly, but learn from their example and adapt to our budgets and experience (or lack there of).

Do the best we can while continually learning from others. Stretch and GO!

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Danny November 21, 2011 at 6:09 am

You got it, Troy - now we’ve just gotta do it! :D
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Radu November 20, 2011 at 3:16 pm

I believe that before you even consider starting a business you have to set your budget. Is the wisest thing i ever read since i start getting into marketing.
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Mitchell Allen November 19, 2011 at 8:13 pm

Danny,

The first video reminded me of the movie, Bring It On, where that poor cheer-leading squad that had to do “Spirit Fingers” SECOND :)

The second video was awesome. So, yeah, my preferences are clear. However, the first video is not a fail. Do you know why? Think of all the valuable information you gathered during the process. Reverse-engineering almost always gives up some secrets - you may not even be aware of all that you’ve learned (beyond the obvious points you made in the post.)

Secondly, you’ve reinforced the independence of the variables Money and Quality. “You get what you pay for” is not a valid metric.

Third, you did something. In other words, you took action. All marketing is experimental. Ironically, both you and Tim Ferriss allude to that :)

Finally, this forum offered the most value of all, in terms of feedback. Talk about a focus group session! WOW!!

Best to you and your products - luck won’t be a factor, if you’re always willing and prepared to do this type of testing.

Cheers,

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Danny November 20, 2011 at 7:52 am

Oh, Mitchell, I agree with you 100% - there’s nothing more valuable than the learning, and I don’t regret it even a little.

(I do plan on doing a better job next time around, though!)

And yeah, I agree - the feedback from the comments on this post has been truly invaluable - I’m looking forward to all the other feedback that will be coming my way when the book launches! ;)
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Srinivas Reddy November 19, 2011 at 5:42 pm

Danny,
I like both the videos. The first one is, obviously, more exciting. The second one is more informative and inspiring. I’d keep both, for each serves a different audience.

I’m author of a new book too and I love the idea of a book trailer. So I can relate to what you’ve been through. My two cents on the whole book trailer thing comes down to one word: authentic. People are not stupid (not for long anyway). If the trailer (whatever it is) communicates the real YOU, then you have me; else, you don’t.

I wish you all the best!
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Danny November 20, 2011 at 7:51 am

Very well said, Srinivas. What’s your book about?
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Srinivas Reddy November 21, 2011 at 6:29 pm

Thank Danny. My book is about food. Like we need another book on food, right? :) Actually, we DO. There’s too much information about food, but not enough wisdom. And everything about our culture seems bent on destroying our relationship with food. Hence my book, Eat for Joy: the 4 golden rules of food.
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Ileane November 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm

Hi Danny, I love Animoto AND iStock! I use both of them but I admit, I haven’t used them in combination yet, thanks for the idea.

For as much as Tim’s video got my attention, I still have no idea what the final product is. Is it a weight loss program, is it a workout video, is it a body building book? I have no idea…

I like both of your videos, but I do have one comment about the first one. There is a scene that refers to traffic - but there wasn’t really that much traffic - it was just a few cars going by really fast. In my head “engagement” doesn’t necessarily lead to lots of traffic - so I guess I’m not really sure what your book is talking about either. Should I just assume that if I get more engagement I’ll have more traffic and make more mone? I guess that makes sense - but after all your hard work and investment I should be 100% sure about what I’m getting from your product and why I need to pay for it. :)

Best wishes for your success Danny. Thanks for sharing your journey.
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Danny November 20, 2011 at 7:50 am

Yeah, a lot of people don’t know how much good stuff you can get on iStock other than pictures; they have great audio and video, that can work really well when you combine them with other tools. :)

Tim’s book is about pushing your body to the point of being able to do things that you didn’t think you could do. It’s an amazing video, but of course it works best when viewed by the target market. ;)
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Scott November 19, 2011 at 6:52 am

I have to admit I like the second video the best. It could just be the cheapskate part of me that would rather spend $70 than $1000.

Seriously, you are correct in saying that you would have been better off reverse-engineering his strategy. Both of you have great books but, it is like comparing apples to oranges. The books have different audiences, themes, demographics and markets.

I think using Tim’s idea of producing a video trailer to promote your book was a great idea. I also think that it would have been better had you slanted it more towards your audience and market and not trying to make an exact copy of his video.

Like you said, it is hard to out Tim Ferriss Tim Ferriss.
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Danny November 20, 2011 at 7:47 am

Haha, my wallet definitely liked the second one better! :D

You’re right - it’s apples and oranges, which is why I couldn’t just copy a strategy right out of the box, so to speak. I should have done it right, and reverse-engineered the whole thin.

Well, I know for next time… ;)
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Duy from Naga Epic Review November 19, 2011 at 2:40 am

Great videos Danny :D

To be honest, I like them all. But the 1st and the 3rd caught much attention from me. Your 2nd video is great, but I just think that your targeting market is different from Tim’s. Tim’s targeting a more “physical” area and I think that’s why he has so many “powerful” images to show up. Building an engaging community is great, but it’s much more “abstract” than his. And I think we don’t have many “powerful images” to fire up watchers’ enthusiasm (Just my $0.02).

And you’re right, reverse engineering is totally different from copying. Understanding what others are doing and how we can apply what they did to our situations is the way to go!

Thanks again for sharing man :D

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Danny November 20, 2011 at 7:46 am

I think you’re right, Duy, the subject matter also played a part in it - the stuff that Tim was writing about just lent itself a lot better to the first kind of video, whereas it doesn’t fit as well with the second (a lot of what we do is a bit intangible).
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Chukwuka Okwukwe Chukwuka November 18, 2011 at 4:45 pm

Hi! Danny,

You know what? Your videos (both) were fantastic but the second had a better effect on my psychology. I watched your first video before Tim Ferriss’s and I noticed something - Tim Ferriss was more original than yours. It clearly was because yours was a second-hand of his.

Now, do you think he can reproduce your second video and have that effect? I don’t think so.

Also, Tim’s focus is on body building and his video demonstrated that perfectly; yours was on engagement (interaction per say) and your 2nd video perfectly did that with comments from Ana, Brian, Mitch, Tristan and others. Make sense?

Although some comments were too fast, too furious, I got your back on the second video more than the first. :-)

That’s all I’ve got to say. Nice work! Congrats on your product.

Regards,
Chukwuka.
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Danny November 20, 2011 at 7:45 am

Hey Chukwuka, you’re right, Tim’s is much more original than mine (that’s what happens when you copy someone!). :)

And yes, it makes sense - the quotes from all the experts made a huge difference in terms of demonstrating the real value that is offered in the book - which is the point, I guess. ;)
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Geoff Talbot November 18, 2011 at 3:31 pm

I’m still going to buy your book!
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Danny November 20, 2011 at 7:43 am

I’m glad to hear it, Geoff! :D
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Kathryn Kistner November 18, 2011 at 2:30 pm

Danny, the second video was definitely more appealing to ME; I took notes! (I didn’t do that on the first one…lol) The appeal was, “OMG, does this guy realize all the good stuff he’s giving away for FREE?”

We had a new news station come to our town, and boy, were they slick, compared to every other station. We didn’t TRUST their slick ways.

DH’s evaluation: “They’re so slick, they’re slimy!”

(The station eventually became more “down home” for our market, and became worth watching.)

Your second video had clear images, it went crisply from one image to the next, and it had tons of valuable information, which made it worth watching from beginning to end.

The cards flipped a little too quickly for me; I had to pause the video while viewing. I had time to look at the person’s face (since I wanted to see if they were trustworthy), OR I could read their quote. Switching from right-brain face recognition to left-brain reading was taking me too long; and the music was another input to keep track of because it was prominent, not background.

Danny, it was slick, but nowhere near slick enough to be slimy, if you know what I mean. It was, well, engaging. Maybe you know what you’re talking about!

Your question was whether I’ve tried to borrow others’ tactics that didn’t work. Nope. I’ve always been a rebel, and have been able to figure out things that didn’t work, all on my own.

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Danny November 20, 2011 at 7:43 am

Kathryn, thank you so much for your detailed feedback - I really appreciate it!

I know what you mean about being slick, but not too slick - it’s a really hard balance to strike, though. And yeah, several people have mentioned the cards flipping too fast - I can’t really control that in Animoto, though… maybe I’ll find a way to tweak their system next time. :)

Thanks again for the feedback - I appreciate it!
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Brandon from charlotte SEO Company November 18, 2011 at 1:15 pm

I liked the first one personally. The second one felt more like a running loop powerpoint. I think you don’t like the first one because it isn’t as good as Tim’s. That doesn’t make it bad. Kinda like when you compare pizza companies. The pizza isn’t as good as but it’s not a terrible pizza. If I had not seen Tim’s video I’d choose the first video.
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Danny Iny November 18, 2011 at 1:54 pm

That’s an interesting perspective, Brandon, thank you for offering it to me. I feel a bit better. :)
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Remco November 18, 2011 at 11:38 am

The first (expensive) video is definitely not so compelling. I think that the second video goes to quick, and is a bit too long. I need more time to first read the name, and their website, and then also read their comment.

Either way, it is good to stop and think, whether you are copying someone else’s strategy, and if it will work
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Danny Iny November 18, 2011 at 11:43 am

Thanks for the feedback, Remco, it’ll help me next time I have to put a video together. :)

And yes, the core lesson is definitely the importance of reverse-engineering a strategy, rather than just copy it!
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nicko from Video Maker November 18, 2011 at 8:36 am

Great videos. Seems like a good way to market a book. Haven’t seen too many of those (though there probably are).
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Danny Iny November 18, 2011 at 11:42 am

It’s a growing trend, but I like to think that I’m still a tiny bit ahead of the curve… ;)
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Sam November 18, 2011 at 8:33 am

Hey Danny,

I’ll respond to your email about feedback tonight for some more in-depth info, but ill give you some feedback here. I think each video targets a different audience so I don’t see one better than the other. The first one is more catching and perhaps considered “eye candy” whereas the second one works from simplicity. I enjoyed both and what they convey. If I had to choose one however, I would go with the simple one. It fits me more and I like simple so that’s why. I hope this gives a little insight and I’ll email you later. Keep up the great work!

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Danny Iny November 18, 2011 at 11:42 am

Thanks for the feedback, Sam, I really appreciate it. I’ll watch for that email - I really value your insights. :)
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Alison November 18, 2011 at 8:00 am

I’ve never seen Tim Ferriss’ video - not the target market :s.

I like the second one - it just feels a lot more rooted in reality, although it’s a little bit long. And Animoto is an awesome, neat tool which you used very simply, to great effect. The first one is more of a single-emotion promise, and you need very high production values to do it successfully.

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Danny Iny November 18, 2011 at 11:41 am

I’m glad you like the second one, Alison, I like that one better too. I think you really hit the nail on the head about the production cost of really nailing a single-emotion promise like the first video.

Oh well, lesson learned…
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Ryan Hanley November 18, 2011 at 7:01 am

Danny,

It’s the Authenticity of the 2nd video that makes it so powerful… The Trailer is you being someone else. The 2nd one is you. I think that’s enough said.

Great article.

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Danny November 18, 2011 at 7:17 am

Hey Ryan, I think the post was unclear, because the videos weren’t there for some reason. They’ve been re-added, so it should make more sense now. :)
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Ryan Hanley November 18, 2011 at 7:23 am

Dude,

So much more sense now…

Now I will say that the first video was very “Sales” and the 2nd video is “Value First”… As a potential buyer of your book I just learned some very important information from people that I respect and I didn’t have to pay for it. Imagine what I’m going to get when I do…

Video definitely help… ha!

Thanks and great stuff!
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Danny Iny November 18, 2011 at 11:40 am

Yeah, seriously! ;)

I don’t know if I’d say that the first video is “sales”, but it is about creating hype and excitement, whereas the second video just teaches and shares…

And yeah, imagine that you’ll learn when you do! :D
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Peggy Baron November 18, 2011 at 6:56 am

Ok, Danny, I realize it’s not yet 7am at my house, but I can’t find the 2nd video to compare to the trailer!?
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Danny November 18, 2011 at 7:03 am

Hey Peggy, not sure what’s going on, but the videos don’t seem to be embedded! :S

Here’s Tim’s trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIVmsIJyj3A
Here’s mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLC12qx7keE
And here’s the Animoto one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YOH-t2Ar5k
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Danny November 18, 2011 at 7:17 am

Okay, the videos are back now. :)
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Herbert November 21, 2011 at 4:31 am

(on Animoto video) :: Very impressive video.. The work is flawless :D
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