Comment posted on Google PageRank: When Your Think PR, Think Public Relations by Patrick Simspon
I was completely unaware that google didn’t really own their page rank system, I have been aware that it takes google 60 to 90 days to index most pages. I am not sure that one should not worry about page rank, but I do agree that you should always strive to give your readers content that is useful for them to grow.
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Patrick Simpson
http://www.getziggys.com/
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I have to agree that it is better if you are able to get quality links to your blog, versus quantity. I am still pretty new to business blogging, with that being said every e-book I have read on the subject has said that your SEO could be hurt, causing you to rank poorly in the serps. 3years ago I had (still do but am not ready to start back up just yet) a blog to help readers find software that they could that could help them learn to play guitar, I did’t have any links and managed to rank on the top serps page because of my keyword usage. I didn’t realize that I was where I needed to be then, until recently. I have to say that keyword research is 1 before worrying about building links.Thanks
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Hey Ana, great post, I am still learning to create more traffic for my blog and I have been hereing about Scribe in a number of places. Is it the best plugin for SEO? I assume it is, since you use it. I know it is a paid plugin for wordpress. Are there any free plugins that can do the same things or close to what Scribe does? Thanks
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Hey Ana,
Thanks for the research and for sharing this information with us.
I’m focusing on providing my readers with valuable content, working on SEO and boosting my blog traffic.
Of course, everything will follow in due course, as you mentioned.
Thanks for sharing this.
All the best,
Mavis
Mavis Nong @ Free Marketing Training´s last blog ..How To Get Your Content Shared More Than Ever Before
Hi Ana,
I had this conversation with a client once and asked him, ‘how many search engines ever bought your products?’
Like you said, write for humans.
Ivan
Great question to ask anyone who is too obsessed with SEO, Ivan!
Although the post content is excellent as always, Ana, you said it all with “Focus on building a great blog. Engage your readers. Write outstanding content.” It’s so easy to get caught up in all the off-site stuff that we can forget that the core ingredient to a successful blog is the content!
Best,
Scott
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Indeed, Scott - I’ve been on the other side of the fence before as well: the SEO-obsessed side. Doesn’t do you any good!
Great content in the end will bring traffic and more importantly make them stay and come back.
Hi Ana,
Nice to knowing these. My PR has been dropped from 2 to zero now since I haven’t been able to updating my content about 3-4 months. But I noticed that the drop didn’t bother my visitors traffic’s chart to my blog. I know it as order from my costumers keep coming through. And they are new visitors. The most concern thing for me right now is Alexa ranking. It does quite affect.
You visitors will stay because of your content, not your standing with search engines, that’s for sure!
Sorry to hear about your rank drop, but I am sure you’ll be able to build it back up in no time.
Ana you have put a nice resources here ..but the fact remains the same that no one knows what’s wrong this time and when Google will update page rank..
couple of days back many of my bloggers friend reported that they have seen change in PR for their blog but it’s a minor PR update.. Every1 around is keeping their finger crossed for major update..!!
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That’s exactly my point, Harsh - that and the fact that we should be more concerned with out readership than what Google is up to.
Good to see you around here!
I am a little bit shock that you’re not really doing SEO that much still your site really grows so much? This is so amazing Ana!
Well, I’ve got your point that focus on making your blog great and make your readers engaged into it. As I can see, this is the most effective way!
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Indeed, that’s exactly what worked for me, John.
Long-term I am definitely planning on doing more SEO to push some posts up the Google chain; so far though, my growth comes purely from social networks and networking with other bloggers.
As far as I know Google PR was last updated in April 2010 and since then it’s not changed at all. And late I got to know that Google will not update PR as it won’t consider relevant while ranking websites. So I stop bothering about Google PR.
Here I think you’re very right by saying that be concerned about Public Relation rather than Google PR. Another amazing tip…;)
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Thanks, Shailender - glad you’ve been following the advice before I ever gave it.
I’ve been saying it since the beginning, and not just because SEO is my arch nemesis.
Just write. Write for the re readers. Add any SEO that doesn’t sneak in naturally after the fact.
Dennis Edell @ Direct Sales Marketing´s last blog ..A New DEDC Feature- Content Comeback
SEO after the fact - sounds like a good topic for a post, Dennis.
I would be interested in post like that for sure as I do some before, watch and measure, and then some later. And I know some bloggers that focus on refining content even more than putting out new content.
Many strategies.
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That’s the only way I do it these days, Robert - wait till something starts ranking for good keywords and make it stronger after the fact.
I actually did write a post on that; check out https://trafficgenerationcafe.online/get-top-google-ranking/
Well der on me thanks for the link Ana. So much good stuff here it’s going to take me a bit to go back through it all
I almost forgot I wrote that one before as well; you made me think of it.
You and Robert must be the only two left that don’t know my thought on this. lol. That’s exactly how I write.
From Title to Signature it is written wholly/Solely with the reader in mind, not the engines. (How Google themselves tells you to write, btw)
During proof-reading before publishing is where I would interject what SEO I knew, WITHOUT screwing with my “voice”.
In response to comments further down…I’ve never gone back days/weeks/months later, as I’ve never known what ranked for what; never checked.
NOW, that said, keep in mind, my sole promotional efforts for 2 or more years was blog commenting (primarily on commentluv enabled blogs), never giving engines a second glance.
2011 will see me branching out in promotional methods,including some more refined SEO perhaps…still not done by me though; outsourced.
THAT said, no one will ever mess with my “voice” for mere SEO purposes….readers first, always.
I think I need a nap now…
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Sounds like we’re eye to eye Dennis. I’ll be sure to drop by your site and catch up on the posts.
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Anytime my friend, come on by!
It’s the oddest thing, the more I read, the more I realize how few people take SEO advice from Google…..
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When you’ve been monitoring that little green bar since it was born (as I have, and you too probably?) it’s hard not to sneak a quick peak to see how full it is, even though you know it’s a pointless metric.
Very interesting to see the exclusive licensing rights to PageRank is running out in 2011. Maybe that’ll be the time to switch if off.
BTW - I think there’s a PageRank update going on
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Intriguing comment - we shall see either way.
I am a bit anxious to see my green bar, even though I do tell everyone not to care about theirs.
Thanks, Stephen.
Hi Ana,
PR is just what it says it is just something used for public relations (ex. Hello, I have a PRX blog do you want to guest post ….).
I know that many boost about their PR and say their an authority etc, but the fact is that PR only analysis the power of the links that are pointing to your blog and not the authority, influence, subscribers you may have.
Creating a great blog doesn’t and shouldn’t involve any PR discussions (other then the one referring to public relations), but it should concentrate on how to provide content that someone would find useful and worthy to be read.
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High PR doesn’t equal a popular blog and a booming business.
However, no PR and thousands of subscribers and readers speak for themselves.
Love your point, Alex.
By the way, isn’t your post in Spanish only?
No, Ana, is in Romanian, but it resembles Spanish because both language deriv from Latin.
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And here I was thinking that SEO was all about a single number. Oh well
Perhaps I’ve been ignorant to the entire PR thing but I’ve been focused more on connecting with the right people, creating content that helps people and that they will link to, and some other strategies.
I guess I’ll just keep doing that.
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Sometimes, ignorance is a bliss, Robert, and yours is one of those cases.
Thinking PR as Public Relation is surely only for a real blogger but out there, there are many that blog just to purposely selling the links that why many still thinking PR as Google Page Rank.
However I agree with you to choose create a great blog instead try to make high PR blog.
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I do know a lot of bloggers who only focus on SEO and link building, Dana. Then they wonder why their blogs are not growing…
High PR won’t guarantee business success; however, a strong blog with no PR will.
I completely agree Ana.
To me, it does make sense to me that Google would stop broadcasting this number as focusing on that one number kind of misses the point.
PR always seemed to be about building a community and gaining exposure and status outside of that community. Just my view, of course. No one at Google called me about any of this.
So, I just concentrate on those things rather than a number that only changes every few months, or half a year, or never.
Have a great day!
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I started focusing on the same, Mark.
Whether PR will be updated or not, my readers will keep me going.
Have a great one as well.
Ana - Thanks for the recap on PageRank. Given that I wrote an article on why Link Auuthority might be a better metric that PageRank back in September, I really should know better, but I still look at the little PR indicator in my Toolbar when evaluating a blog. Then, I remind myself to take a breath and focus on the fact that it is just a snapshot from March/April. But old habits are hard to break.
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Randy:
I feel the same way!! I know it doesn’t hold weight anymore, but I can’t help myself to look at the little green fairy dust. I just can’t look away!
Lisa@basic marketing tips´s last blog ..Are Your Blog Readers Dumb
At least we can be honest about it… or is it called double-faced?
LOL! I keep seeing a ton of “big” name bloggers saying “oh forget about PR, it doesnt matter.” Yet then they write a post about Google not updating and PR and oh what should we do. I am no fool, I know they are checking their PR just like I am and you are right Ana…at least we can be honest about it!
I dont ever expect anything less from you though.
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Thank you very much, there has indeed been alot of talk lately about PR, I didn’t hear what Google said about the next update, and I was searching for it. PR matters in one main field - if other sites will be happy to link to you or not…
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True. Or whether you get the banners ads or the clients you are looking to get. Unfortunately, a lot of folks who simply don’t know any better still focus on PR - or lack thereof.
Hey Ana,
I would say that you did this research to help us/you and you are actually reminding us of building a blog 101.
I keep reading/seeing/hearing so much about stuff that are advanced blogging from - newbies.
No matter how boring it sound, content is still a king and nothing will ever change that (I hope, lol) because that is THE best legitimate way to build links.
You have great content and it is the best proof of what I am saying. So instead of so many people talking about some advance blogging, how about doing the basic things first.
Just a little example why content is the king. I got several pingbacks (or are they trackbacks) from blogs linking to a post of mine that became kinda popular. I check each and every blog that links to me and only after I am sure it is legitimate I will approve the pingback.
So I got this pingback from a blog that has no original content on it. The published a part of my post and link to my post saying read more. I bet you get hundreds of those.
I didn’t approve, he/she didn’t get the link, end of story.
If they had any content on it…they would get the link.
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Oh, by the way I was trying to say less worry about PR and more writing for some people!
You are so right, Brankica - some bloggers skip the basics altogether and move on to the important part: how can we milk our readers for all they are worth.
Yes, I do get tons of spam pingbacks. I always check them first and they never get a link back.
I was completely unaware that google didn’t really own their page rank system, I have been aware that it takes google 60 to 90 days to index most pages. I am not sure that one should not worry about page rank, but I do agree that you should always strive to give your readers content that is useful for them to grow.
Thanks
Patrick Simpson
http://www.getziggys.com/
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That came as news to me as well, Patrick - who would’ve thought!
Thanks for coming by.
Ya I recently read that thread about Google’s PR at the webmaster forum. Since then I stopped looking at the little bar when I load web pages. But the awareness is just now on people. I would say that still a substantial number of people believe G’s PR to be the golden scale to judge a website’s quality. That’s unfortunate.
Jane.
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Good to hear you are reading that kind of forums, Jane - very few people go to the source to learn of changes.
Amen!
Google PageRank does not pay the bills, even if a high-ish PR allows some webmasters to charge more for ads on their website. If the PR was gone completely from today (as in: no way top check the little green bar any more), what would these webmasters do?
I got a PR6 on a 1.5 year old blog! SO WHAT? It still only get ~100 uniques a day because the content is not updated regularly. Think quality content, quality links and everything else should follow.
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It doesn’t pay the bills - you are so right about that, Leo.
I don’t have any and don’t miss it one bit.
Ana:
Well done my friend. But alas, would I think anything else from you?!
I know bloggers keep saying they don’t care about PR, yet we still check that litle bar every now and again to see if there is some change…anything at all. It’s going to be a hard habit to break!
I do think the other 200+ metrics Google uses to internally rank our pages is more of what we should realy be centering our attention on. For those that desperatley need a PR update or need some sort of validation on that front, there is always mozRank. It’s updated monthly and it offers page and domain ranking. They also correlate pretty closely with Google PR.
Anyways, the one thing I have been trying to do this year is just write the content. Write first, tweak it up after. If I go into my content thinking, “oh my where can I put a link” my content will suffer.
Kudos on your rankings Ana~~~ WELL deserved.
All the best,
Lisa
Lisa@basic marketing tips´s last blog ..Are Your Blog Readers Dumb
Write first, tweak later - that’s exactly what I had to do when I started posting on a daily basis; and I love it that way. Forget about Google, just “work” for your readers. THAT’s what will pay off at the end.
And you are right - I would still love to see that green bar showing up over TGC.
Hi Ana, awesome job with the research. I can tell a lot of work goes into your post.
I believe it is more important to have a interesting blog than a high page rank. Although it does have some benefits. I write in several blogs across a few different niches. The blogs I have that have 2 or higher page rank usually get better rankings than my 0 to 1 page rank blogs.
Another thing I noticed about some of my blog post from my pagerank 3 and 4 blogs is that they tend to stay ranked high longer for long tail keyword phrases.
My lower page rank blogs, do shoot to the first page for some long tail words but they tend to also get dropped much much faster.
Before I started really becoming a blogger, I didn’t realize the power of community. With that being said if a person focuses more on relationships and having an interesting blog that person can certainly get much more traffic than some higher page rank blogs out there.
Thanks for sharing
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That’s such a great point, Larry, and I can’t help to agree.
Some bloggers do an insane amount of link building, but since they don’t focus on great content and their readership, any traffic they get from SEs ends up just bouncing at best.
Thanks for coming back, Larry - such a pleasure to hear your intelligent opinion on the issue.
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